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Here we go again?

May 21, 2007

Rowley Birkin QC said… Anonymous, you’re wasting your time – this blog’s authors aren’t interested in the truth of things despite their attempts at dressing up their responses with a touch of socio-babble and management speak. No one mentioned ‘biology’ other than the respondent who did so to skew and misrepresent the point originally made. Check out past posts and see the emotive language used, the references to ‘slavery’ and ‘colonialism’, that’s why there’s normally only two of them on here, the other occasional visitors tire quickly of their tedious racism.”

Twining says, ” QC, there are plenty of people that know me on this blog. I don’t dress anything up as you suggest. Therefore any suggestion that my views or the views of Serendib are “tedious” racism” is so wide off the mark that they don’t deserve further thoughts. It is understandable that this blog will be trolled by people who do not share our common views and there are many common views here, but none are racist, certainly not from my majority contributors, Big fella, Franky, Southwest, Totally UNPC, Noddy, Pink Cat, Bloggs, Annette, The Invisible man, Avon and Somerest Officer, etc. As far as I am concerned these people are good people and I am moderate, not racist. YOU QC DESERVE A TWINING GONG! ”
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13 comments

  1. Don’t rise to their bait Mr Twining, I have looked back over your esteemed blog and found that what you say is very true indeed, as the only people who comment are yourself, Mr Serendib, Annette and occasionally PC SouthWest, you, however mention all the others when you comment on thier blogs, so keep the confusion going Brother. Now if you could embrace our objectives fully, I can make sure you get a seat on the top table at the NBPA, what do you say old fellow?


  2. I would like to know few things like it is a good idea to be thinking about joining the force and how to go on about it being a black woman??


  3. Ali Dizaie, Sir, thank you for gracing this blog. Thank you also for agreeing I am well esteemed! I thank you. I’m not into clubs I am afraid so I shall wait for election’s. Anonymous, if you wish, please feel free to email me. My email is on my profile.


  4. esteemed!


  5. Dear ‘Ali Dizaei’ (if that is who you are?)

    As the NBPA is supposed to be a democratically organised association how do you marry up this comment of yours ‘Now if you could embrace our objectives fully, I can make sure you get a seat on the top table at the NBPA, what do you say old fellow’?

    The role of National Legal Adviser is not if I remember correctly within the constitution and I do not believe that you are the elected member for the Metropolitan Police so are you in a position fulfil such comments?

    See, I do not believe that the Ali Dizaei whom I know would have come out with such a comment especially in a public forum such as a BLOG. Sorry not convinced.


  6. Dear anonymous

    ‘Triple jeopardy’

    Here are some excellent sources of information with regard to the ‘Triple jeopardy of being Black, Female and in the Police’:

    Holder, K.A., Nee, C., Ellis, T. (1999), “Triple jeopardy? Black and Asian women police officers’ experiences of discrimination”, International Journal of Police Science & Management, Vol. 3 No.1, pp.68-87.

    Both Dr. Claire Nee and Tom Ellis are members of Portsmouth University Criminal Justice Faculty and their research is still current.

    Other extremely useful people to look up are Chief Inspector Robyn Williams (former Gen Sec to the NBPA and now a member of the HMIC.

    Marcia Edwards has written extensively in the Police Review on this and has organised some excellent conferences and workshops. Marcia is now in West Mercia Police if you wish to correspond.

    The NBPA themselves conducted the Women in Policing Workshop: 7 February 2007. There should be report that came out of this with findings and recommendations, I would suggest that you contact them direct and speak with Jane Lam, Vice President; 28-30 Grosvenor Gardens, London, SW1W 0TT, 020 7259 1280.

    Please do not join up if you hold the misconception that the Police Service has changed with regard to gender issues as it remains sexist organisation throughout and on top of that being Black means that the other issues of intolerance will impact as well.

    I know of far to many female Black colleagues that have suffered multiple bigotry and harassment to be comfortable saying that ‘the water is warm so come in and join us’, without highlighting such concerns. But in light of this the actual job can be one of the most fulfilling that one could care to ever do and if you join you meet some pretty incredible people both within and external of the Service.


  7. Oh dear, you got me Serendib, you’re way too smart for me!
    ———————————
    Anonymous said…
    I would like to know few things like it is a good idea to be thinking about joining the force and how to go on about it being a black woman??
    ———————————-
    Anonymous what exactly is your question?

    Your question indicates that your grasp of basic English is very poor, oh hell, what does that matter? Well it does becasue it could be read in at least two different ways. I’m not sure that the answer Serendib gave is what you were after, still if you have trouble sleeping that reading list should help!


  8. …and while you go on moaning about all the prejudice you will allegedly experience, it’s not bad doing so on £30K a year (plus free travel etc) and knowing that there will only be the sound of eggshells being crushed all around you. If it’s OK for Serendib it should be alright for you!


  9. Dear ‘alledged’ ali dizaei, Anonymous has asked a very reasonable and legitimate question about being Female and Black in the Service, why do you feel it necessary to barrack them for this? I am assuming that you are either not in ‘The Job’ or have little experience of being the victim of bigotry?

    I have actually retired now, somewhat short of my thirty years and would find it hard to say to anyone that they should join the Police Service. Although the service has come under the microscope with regard to its service delivery in reality not much has changed for the better for those people who are or find themselves considered as ‘different’ to the majority. Sexism, homophobia and racism are still a part of everyday policing (and wider society) and this is something that holds the service back from truly being servants of the public.

    The standard of staff member has clearly improved, but along with this also the level of resistance to change has increased in some respects. Front line staff workloads have increased whilst the senior management have drifted further and further away from the reality of day to day policing in order to participate in low level ‘politics’ leaving their staff increasingly without management support.

    By the way ‘The other’ Anonymous you underestimated the salary, but whatever it is working in an environment of intolerance has another cost aspect to it which money does not recompense. In reality the salary although it is linked to inflation has not kept pace the levels that it was set at in the early eighties. In reality the starting salary of a Constable is pretty shabby at £21,009 for what society is expecting of such staff.

    Twining numerous others and I care deeply about the Police and improving the level of service that it gives to YOU and all other members of the public. This and other similar Blogs have been established to seek out alternative ways of improving this laudable occupation, but in order to do so the real and/or perceived issues of concern need to be articulated.

    I would applaud you and other people to join in responding in a developmental manner so that some form of health debate may take place.


  10. There was no ‘barracking’ of any kind. It was merely pointed out that the questioner’s English was poor and it is still unclear what eaxctly is being asked. You’ve chosen to interpret that in your way and provided a reading list that, if the standard of English displayed is accurate, then someone would have to read each book, paper or document out loud and then explain each point being made!

    Your concerns for the service are laudable were they not cloaked in the constant obsession with racism. As Joe P. pointed out in his succint comment in a more recent posting ‘Diversity’ is destroying the service – and you have acknowledged how SMT members and minority officers use ‘it’ to their own ends.

    “…Sexism, homophobia and racism are still a part of everyday policing (and wider society) and this is something that holds the service back from truly being servants of the public…” – Utopian dreams and utterly impossible – where’s the pragmatism?

    There are many who would not accept your assertion regarding the starting salary of a constable and the pay rates generally, and yes I am in the job. The perks, despite the tinkering (and despite the risks) are still good, especially the pension provision and the sick pay arrangements.

    I hope you enjoy your retirement – and I hope you are in receipt of the generous pension that you payed 11.5% of your salary for each month, if not, enjoy it in the future.


  11. Dear Anonymous,

    With regard to the standard of someone’s English when they respond on a BLOG I have little interest for surly it is the sentiments that is important. People often just tap away from an emotional position which they have every right too and are not necessarily checking their prose as they go along for their grammar or spelling.

    The question relating to being Black and Female in the Service was clear and relevant to me, perhaps because this is the world (Diversity) that I have and continue to work in and so I have heard the question before?

    As for the comments “you have acknowledged how SMT members and minority officers use ‘it’ [Diversity] to their own ends”

    I do not support this at all. Actually I am far more aware that the vast majority of officers who are visibly different to the majority actually remain silent throughout their career just putting up with the ‘Rubbish’ that they hear around them. The same goes for the majority of females who suffer quietly or are compelled to laugh along with the daily sexist abuse that they experience. As for Gay staff the levels of intolerance that they experience is parallel at times to the ‘McCarthyism’ period of post war North America at times.

    Having said this I have to acknowledge that I have met an extremely small number of ‘Diverse Staff’ and they would less than a handful in a quarter of a century who use their ‘Diversity’ to achieve some unwarranted benefit.

    With regard to the SMT and ACPO ‘Corridor’ members of the Service with whom I have spent the greatest time over the past few years I am most saddened. Prior to their arrival in such positions we hear how they ‘Will change the world’ and put some realism and yes pragmatism into these lofty positions, but in the main once there they seem to acquiesce to the common position and viewpoint of ‘Lets not rock the boat’ and in the main their ramrod statue seems to become somewhat slack and responsibility starts to slip off their shoulders in times of crisis.

    Now I have certainly been aware in these corridors that their newly acquired (but still limited) knowledge of Diversity is used by an influential number to exploit every advantage (and not necessarily for the benefit of either the Service or public). With all this in mind I do proudly hold onto the beliefs which you feel are without pragmatism and ‘Utopian’ in nature, but I feel that unless we have a vision to aim for that the majority may consider as aspirational we will not fulfil our potential and things only change after crisis rather than evolve in a more ethical manner.

    I am off now to warmer parts for a while so I will climb down from the upturned bottle crate and hand over my patch in ‘Hyde Park’ to others for a while.


  12. You really are a pompous self righteous know it all who really believes you have the answer to all the ills you perceive exist in society without actually offereing anything substantial. Hogwash and twaddle. Psychobabble, busy doing nothing at all. That’s why nothing moves forward and ‘victimhood’ becomes more entrenched and almost, at times, enjoyed.


  13. Me, pompous! Well I never! I have been described as many things, but never pompous.



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